User talk:TreeIsLife

Recent changes
Little heads up that the classification of a shaderpack as "legacy" is done in conjunction with the respective developers, which is why I rolled back some of your recent changes.

RRe36 (talk) 16:50, April 4, 2020 (UTC)

Hi, please dont make edits to the Minecraft Shaders wiki at https://shaders.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Shaders

Many of your changes had to be rolled back because of bad grammar, vandalizing pages etc. Thank you

Strum355 (talk) 17:51, April 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * ? Vandalising pages? You probably don't know, what is vandalism. Vandalism is a action, that is classified as destroying, breaking something. You probably meant "Competency is required". Ok, I know that this is the Official Wiki about something related to Minecraft, but this also means it has lots of readers and it's inpossible to tell how many users are reading this wiki. So let's start with mainpage. Main Page is landing page for many users, so don't think, that page will be only linking page to next 6 pages. If you need help with that, see Help:Main Page. Also, I saw that page is called as Minecraft Shaders instant Minecraft Shaders Wiki which is a really big mistake, because this is mainpage, not content/article page, but I don't known why sp614x did move wiki mainpage, when he started this wiki. At least, now it is "more acceptable" page. Legacy shaders - I don't know, why it was reverted, because two of them were removed compleatly from Forum, making it unobtainable without using Web Machine and third is innactive. But as result, words that I can say are "I'm respecting that, what you wrote here". Yes, because this is your wiki (not mine) so I must follow your rules, so if you don't want to edit Main page (I recomnned to protect it, because now you're saying that "I did vandalism", but maybe later, actual Vandalism could happen), I won't edit it. But please, keep in mind that this is Wiki and situation, where actual problems will occur, could happen in futur. Lastly, turning off contributions for anonyms is not 100% protection of Wiki, but I'm supporting that change. --TreeIsLife (talk) 15:07, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

The Problem is that most edits so far did not contain the necessary amount of typographic correctness and even contained misinformation at times (eg. your version of the "Requirements" section in Shaderpack Installation) thus the classification as vandalism of that edit. As I stated before packs are being classified as "Legacy" in direct communication with shader pack developers (I am one of them too). Invalid Links usually have to be maintained by the respective developers since it is their responsibility to keep the list entries up to date. Furthermore I want to note that up until recently there was nobody maintaining any pages besides the shader packs list which is why I directly asked sp614x about that. Since I only started working on this wiki very recently many things have not yet been improved and the fact that I am usually working with other shader pack developers and sp614x himself when planning some bigger changes also introduces a certain (but necessary) delay of improvements. RRe36 (talk) 16:12, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

Message to RRe36
Hey Ree36!

I want to make you aware, that your most recent block could violate Fandom Inc.'s Terms of Use. The wiki should never be used as a redirect to different site - that can be an abuse of services. With that in mind, I am confident that I have not break any rule, so I request an unblock.

I give you enough time (48 hours) to reply. Otherwise, I will have to solve this block with Fandom Staff. --TreeIsLife (talk) 11:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Message to RRe36
Let me get this straight, you think you can play some kind of game by threatening me with fandom staff when a someone from fandom already talked with me about us moving to our own, dedicated wiki installation in conjunction with extending our online presence? This is more of a corporate decision than anything else and you do not have say in that as you are not affiliated with us (shaderLABS) or the legal entity representing us (Continuum Graphics LLC). So keep your 48 hours and the threat of trying to get fandom staff to help you. You have been making multiple rather invasive wiki changes (eg. trying to change the main page design to match your own, inofficial optifine wiki that you've made at some point) and judging by past version of your user page you seemed/seem to be thinking you have some kind of claim to manage this wiki, when you have not. Administrative actions are being done by our own staff, not you and we have taken issue with your behaviour multiple times in the past. Removial of the redirection notices, which are important to maintain a seamless transition for users to our new platform until this wiki is deleted, is not a decision that you are in a position to make and the potential of you stirring further trouble and distrupting our service is why you are blocked from editing now. RRe36 (talk) September 25, 2021


 * So at first, you probably have not heard entire story. It is ok to have a link there, but only for some time, not pernamently. I am also not affiliated by Fandom and I can wrote these replies.

That was first point. Second point - Having a main page, that only lists links, is archaicic, not interesting and Gopgle can think of the website as a bpt website, or a spam one. I agree I created an unofficial wiki, and what? I created much more unofficial wikis and nobody was against it. If you were, then you would not be here (on this page) right now. I said I am bureaucrat, not that I am owner. I created that wiki before I even knew this existed.

Now, I want to talk about the "legal entity representing us" and "Administrative actions are being done by our own staff". No, you are not an owner of the wiki, nor sp614x is. I am not owner of any wikis I created. Why? Well, because they are owned by Fandom. On this wiki,  shaderLabs is some site and Continuum Graphics LLC is a company hosting it, but they are not hosting this wiki, managing this wiki (that is Fandom) and even owning this site (as I said, they' re not owned by me)

Also, you want to delete this wiki,...Well, you can forgot about it, sorry mate. Wikis are only closed, when there is need to - 2 wikis merged, spam wikis etc. This your experiment is just some fork of work people done under bad license (those can arraise legal issues to those people, I am bit dissapointed, that they would have to solve something they even didn't want to)

I may never be unblocked, but I can stop your notice - the fact that I am blocked does not really mean nothing, except the fact that I can't edit here.

Next upon this - everybody causes trouble. You must be aware, that ths happens. But as I see, you probably are not very a person, who respects that. It is more important to have respect to others, when you are doing on so high positions - like admin. So friendly tip - improve this. And "disturbing our services" - here on this wiki, I am not.

And at the end, I am not trying to get fandom staff to help me, but to help this wiki. Because look on the wiki - you have not updated it for new skin, you have misued tools on this wiki to promote the wiki you like, you put a bad license on the new wiki, you have not even preserved the history there, you misued tools and blocked a person, while you violated ToU, and now you want to close this wiki.

It's very sad, that you are not understanding how it works IRL. But I hope you will once know how hard it is to be responsible enough. --TreeIsLife (talk) 22:09, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Message to RRe36
A couple of issues with your argument: 1. Please do link me the relevant sections of the terms of use and how they apply here, and then also explain to me how your judgement is somehow more relevant than the one of Fandom Staff which, if would have read my response properly you would know, has already contacted me months ago and asked for the reasoning behind the wiki move. Since then no further action has occured, so it appears that whatever you are trying to achieve and threaten with here is already sorted out.

2. This wiki is relying on a service of Fandom we are using, and as such we have a degree of administrative power over it within the realm of the Fandom platform, so we are indeed by definition managing the wiki.

3. "Delete the wiki" or "Close the wiki", both really just refer to the same thing and we are working on having Fandom close this wiki once the move and our new platform is done, since there is no reason to keep this wiki around as is.

4. Don't even bother lecturing me of how everyone causes trouble, I have plenty of moderation experience to safely say that people like you are a rare occurance and a nuisance, especially with how you act now after your block. After having to deal with people like you for years I have little respect left for these behaviours, especially if it's done with a sad wannabe-threat like you have done. With actions like these all you do is make people loose respect in you, so don't be surprised when facing the consequences.

5. If you are not trying to get Fandom staff to help you with whatever goal you have set in your mind, then why do try to threaten us with "solving this block with Fandom staff" or giving us "48 hours to reply". This sounds more like blackmail rather than trying to be helpful, so take a good look in the mirror about your behaviour here. I wonder how blackmail-esque attempts are being dealt with in the terms of use.

6. "You put a bad license on the new wiki", dude it's literally just CC BY-NC-SA 4.0, it is in essence the same as Fandom uses for the most cases.

7. Oh no, I didnt update the skin. How about we've been planning to move wikis for a long time before you were around, so why would we spend much time on something that is not going to be used anyways.

8. It's not "promote the wiki I like", it is literally a corporate decision that you have nothing, absolutely nothing, to say about since you are neither affiliated with shaderLABS, Continuum Graphics LCC or Fandom, and as I've already said, Fandom staff is aware of the redirects and has not taken actions since then, which has been months.

Also nice try with attempting to belittle me for not being "reponsible" and not knowing how "it works IRL", I know more of this than you apparently and do not have to resort to pathetic threats and nonsensical arguments to prove my point. I don't understand why this even means so much to you, since you don't even seem to be part to the shaderpack community at all. I have not seen you contribute to it in any way so far, outside of this wiki, so maybe you should leave this matter up to the people who are actually affected by it, as in shaderLABS as a representative of the shaderpack developers.

I kindly ask you to drop this topic now, as your arguments have very little logical and factual weight and are causing nothing but noise that does not contribute to anything. We will be continuing with our plans to move platforms regardless of your opinion, and in doing so this wiki as-is will eventually end up being closed/removed (whatever you want to call it) by our request.

RRe36 (talk) September 26, 2021


 * 1 - You should already know Terms Of Use. Some of those rules are also on Community Central. The person, who was talking to you is Wiki Representative. They're just part time staff - they don't modify rules - that was done by full-time Fandom Employees. Also, the WR, who contacted you is no longer WR, and this wiki does not have WR either.

2 - Wiki administators are administrator thanks to a trust. This is more true, when adopting wikis. Fandom is owning the wiki and has all rights to it. But, they decided to grant sp614x bureaucrat rights, so he can manage the wiki - he is now trusted user of the wiki. He decided he has too much work and he needs more staff - he hired you as an administrator. So he gave you a trust, that he got from Fandom

3 - You are working on it, but had you read Community Creation policy (you should know it, if you did ToU). The last section says, that Fandom can alter changes to the wiki, or close them. They also say that they mostly don't close wikis on request and they put them on adoption. And if you at least once visited both Wowpedia and Wowwiki, you will know how this wiki will end up. Nothing will happen, so you are working is for nothing.

4 - I am sure I have made much less, than some spammers, who spam all pages with links, less then vandalers, who put false info, and even less then you, who thinks you have best moderating experience ever. I also don't have modetating experience on your level, but what I have is I study what I can and what I can't.

5 - Those are requirements, before I can ask them to review this block and I get higher chance to get unblocked. But as I see, I will have to do it.

6 and 7 - It is yoir responsibility to make wiki in condition, even if you left. If you don't, you should step down as an administator. And if you do left, you should at least have the same license and add all authors, who were eduting on that wiki.

8 - Only 1 WR is aware, you can't say he 100% said it to Fandom.

I am sure you just want to fastly close this topic now, forget about this, close this wiki and get out. But I don't want a wiki to end up as a closed one, keeping entire history forgotten and this discussion forgotten too - Wikis are about collab work, not about a site, that links to a different site. I want to ask you question at least once again - What's the entire point of blocking people, who have different opinion and want to improve this wiki, not your? --TreeIsLife (talk) 14:55, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Let's say it this way - I am trying to mindfully discuss the block, not to hurt your feelings or make you a bad person. I am just pointing out, that you done some mistakes (like anybody do). And that mistake can be done thousand times. I made so much mistakes, but everything can be made sorry over and over again. I am saying how it works on Fandom from a person, who knows Fandom community much more then you do. But I don't put myself higher other users. There are many more users, who kniw community even more, than me, and they don't say, that they are better either. Just, you cannot blame me, when something does not work or there are other opinions about the wiki. --TreeIsLife (talk) 15:26, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

This argument seems to be going nowhere while you try to act like a white-knight with the "history and discussion being forgotten" and your attempt to lecture me on trust. FYI "history and discussion" has never really happened on this wiki, all people really did here was update their entry in the shaderpack list so I fail to see how your argument applies here. I am not going to waste any more time on arguing with you as you seem to be so convinced of yourself being right that are unable to actually understand the topic at hand. If you want to actually attempt some form of productive conversation that is not just footed on a blackmail-style threat because you are upset about being blocked you may as well do so on our discord server (link: https://discord.gg/RpzWN9S), where someone else from our team can respond to you but I am finished here. RRe36 (talk)